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Do you miss President Bush?

Seeded on Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:23 AM EDT
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Is George W. Bush about to start a political comeback?

Written off as one of the worst presidents in U.S. history when he left office, the 63-year-old Bush has been keeping a low profile, fading from view as the country turned its attention to his successor, President Barack Obama.

Now, some events might be turning in Bush's favor just as he and his family emerge to tell their side of the story, first with the release this week of Laura Bush's memoir, "Spoken From the Heart," then in November with the release of his book, "Decision Points."

"The rehab's well under way," said Mark McKinnon, a Bush confidant who still bikes with the former president in Texas.

"His loyalists have always believed that history would be much kinder to the president than public opinion was during his term. We also believe that leaders who make tough decisions are rarely popular when they're president, but that history puts things into context."

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Democratic National Committee Chairman Tim Kaine said his party would campaign against Bush this fall even though the former president wasn't on the ballot, blaming him for the recession that started on his watch — rather than the Democrats who controlled Congress starting in 2007 — because "presidential leadership sets the tone.
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  • 10 votes
#1 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:25 AM EDT
irrepairDeleted
800 lb. gorilla

it's okay if you miss, but be sure to clean up after yourself.

  • 29 votes
#1.2 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:41 AM EDT
Lola-984242

Do you miss President Bush?

He!! No! Why would I?!?!

  • 65 votes
#1.3 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:43 AM EDT
Andromeda-510639

Shows us how clever, innovative and creative Tim Kaine and his DNC actually are; blame Bush for every wrong and ill for the past eight years as well as the next six years (and even though his Party was in power since 2007).

And Tim, I don’t think we should get into a discussion about Presidential leadership setting the tone because frankly, I’m waiting almost 18 months for any sign, any semblance, any spark of leadership from Obama; to set even the most basic of tones.

  • 30 votes
#1.4 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:43 AM EDT
800 lb. gorilla

andro

so you miss bush?

  • 28 votes
#1.5 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:44 AM EDT
Bluekilgoretrout

Can't..........stop..........laughing!

  • 48 votes
#1.6 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:45 AM EDT
Canadian Dave

Actually, I missed him by about 3 feet when I shanked a golfball a few days after 9/11.

  • 43 votes
#1.7 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:46 AM EDT
CCArm

"His loyalists have always believed that history would be much kinder to the president than public opinion was during his term.

and they are busy rewriting that history. I think it is to save face, I mean, it's hard to admit that you voted for the man TWICE.

His legacy is not only embarrassing, but has put us all in the worst economic crisis in modern times.

Tell you what, let's ask the Iraqi people if they miss Bush.

  • 65 votes
#1.8 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:46 AM EDT
MarkLHolland

What is to miss, his legacy is still screwing us over to the present.

  • 62 votes
#1.9 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:47 AM EDT
800 lb. gorilla

canuck dave

Actually, I missed him by about 3 feet when I shanked a golfball a few days after 9/11.

i hope that your aim is better next time!

  • 30 votes
#1.10 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:49 AM EDT
economics101

Who really wants to read GWB's book? I mean the guy could barely put together a sentence ....

  • 43 votes
#1.11 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:54 AM EDT
800 lb. gorilla

it's a coloring book.

  • 55 votes
#1.12 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:57 AM EDT
redshadowwithgreenbackground

Like Clinton's book, Bush's book will make him a multi millionaire.

  • 12 votes
#1.13 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:01 AM EDT
redshadowwithgreenbackground

It seems some are still upset with Bush.

  • 12 votes
#1.14 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:02 AM EDT
800 lb. gorilla

yes, i do still miss him, those quiet stolen nights, the whispering in my ear. georgie, georgie, where for art thou, georgie?

  • 16 votes
#1.15 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:05 AM EDT
Lisa Schneider

How can you miss him when we have Bush 3 now? Bush may be riding bikes, but his political agenda is still thriving in Washington.

  • 8 votes
#1.16 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:16 AM EDT
Lola-984242

It seems some are still upset with Bush.

Well he did engaged us in 2 wars that we continue to pay for while our economy tanked and he paid out 1.6 Trillion in bailouts and TARP. Gee, I can't imagine why people would still be upset with George W. *roll eyes*

  • 41 votes
#1.17 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:17 AM EDT
Pete520

Like Clinton's book, Bush's book will make him a multi millionaire.

Are you under the impression that the Bush family is not a member of the wealthy elite? Do you really believe him to be just a cowboy...mind you, a cowboy who can actually purchase oil companies and baseball teams?

  • 36 votes
#1.18 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:48 AM EDT
Canadian Dave

800 lb. gorilla -

it's a coloring book.

You'd think someone who was responsible for creating so much sh1t would at least have a "scratch & sniff".

  • 28 votes
#1.19 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:56 AM EDT
800 lb. gorilla

nice, but it would not smell pretty.

  • 19 votes
#1.20 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:59 AM EDT
Mike Rupert

lol a political comeback. Everybody knows, like Sarah Palin, he's not going to be writing a whole heck of a lot of his book. He'll come up with ideas, but like his past, somebody is bailing him out. He gets himself way in over his head often; but clearly understands his role is that of salesman. Not decision maker, or visionary. Miss Bush? Like I miss stepping in dung.

  • 26 votes
#1.21 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:57 PM EDT
Canadian Dave

This book's gonna be like "My Pet Goat", from the goat's perspective.

  • 23 votes
#1.22 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:04 PM EDT
Janeinthisworld

Do I miss Bush????

Hell NO!!!

It seems some are still upset with Bush.

Ya think?

  • 32 votes
#1.23 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:07 PM EDT
Jimster

Do you miss President Bush?

Yes.

..but give me another shoe and I'll nail 'em this time.

  • 45 votes
#1.24 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:14 PM EDT
inoubliable

i lol'd.

  • 14 votes
#1.25 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:16 PM EDT
Nicey-1026620

We also believe that leaders who make tough decisions are rarely popular when they're president, but that history puts things into context."

Really? I'm pretty sure FDR, JFK, Lincoln, and many others were massively popular when facing hard decisions *they didn't create*

He had to make hard decisions because he created situations where he would have to make hard decisions and face hard consequences.

  • 23 votes
#1.26 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:25 PM EDT
Brian-497171

Do you miss President Bush?


Gosh, I guess I do. I mean, we could always use one more unfounded, infunded war, and I think the wealthy elite could certainly use a massive tax break right about now!

Drrrr-deee-drrrr.......

  • 28 votes
#1.27 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:52 PM EDT
evilgenius

I don't miss people who take their policy decisions from the voices in their head.

  • 23 votes
#1.28 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:57 PM EDT
tweetheart44

The answer is still the same.....HELL NO! I miss Bush as much as I'd miss having my toenails ripped off with a pair of pliers. Does that answer your question?

  • 28 votes
#1.29 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:20 PM EDT
D. Craig C

Nope, but I think the organ-grinder he escaped from does. He needs to keep a low profile, or at the very least stay far away from any microphones. His book will be a waste of trees, which makes him indirectly guilty of killing more intelligent and evolved lifeforms. On the other hand, the revisionist history contained in his book would probably support another cable news network for a few years just by refuting the lies, distortion, and misinformation within its pages. Hopefully, his book will come with more crayons than Sarah Palin's book did.

  • 22 votes
#1.30 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:33 PM EDT
trex-138069

Andromeda, it will take much longer than 8 years to repair the damage Bush did to this country -- if we ever can.

  • 21 votes
#1.31 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:43 PM EDT
Uthaclena

I miss seeing Bush in the docket at the Hague for War Crimes.

  • 25 votes
#1.32 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:44 PM EDT
sixfeetunderhope

I miss him he missed the rig explosion, and a plane to Russia , on a foggy day...

  • 3 votes
#1.33 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:58 PM EDT
sixfeetunderhope

Imiss him , yell, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

The banksters, surely, miss him.

  • 13 votes
#1.34 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:02 PM EDT
EdisonEllis

Do you miss President Bush?
Good Lord No.

  • 19 votes
#1.35 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:15 PM EDT
Lisa Schneider

Here's what I miss about him:

1. We'd still be in Iraq...oh wait we are!

2. GITMO would still be open...oh wait it is!

3. Don't Ask, Don't Tell would not be repealed...oh wait, it hasn't been!

4. We'd still be overspending, growing the deficit...oh wait...we are!

5. Homes would still be foreclosing...oh wait, they are, and it's WORSE!

6. Unemployment would still be at 7.8%...OH SHOOT...it's WORSE!

7. Fat cats on Wall Street would still be gambling with our money, and we'd still be assuming all the risk...oh wait...they still are and so are we!

8. Banks would still not be lending...oh wait...they still aren't!

I could go on and on...those on here who can't stand Bush...can you please tell me how Obama is one bit different? I'm pissed, why aren't you?!!!

  • 15 votes
#1.36 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:39 PM EDT
economics101

Like I said, politicians are a necessary evil - we can't torture and execute them, nor can we live without em

  • 3 votes
#1.37 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:55 PM EDT
lib50

Stopped the country from going into another Great Depression, started reforming healthcare, getting us extricated from Iraq and Afghanistan, good foundation being laid for his foreign policy, stock market booming, economic indicators up, job losses steadily declining (jobs are the LAST thing to improve). I see LOADS of differences.

  • 26 votes
#1.38 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:59 PM EDT
Lisa Schneider

oy vey.

  • 1 vote
#1.39 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:04 PM EDT
McSpocky

Do I miss Bush? Absolutely NOT! I'm still celebrating that he is out of government!!!

And Lisa Schneider, Obama can't instantly fix everything that Bush has broken over the last 8 years. That's 8 years worth of mess to fix!

  • 30 votes
#1.40 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:21 PM EDT
HappyToSeeYa

I don't miss Dubya and it's a sad commentary that some people in America are re-writing our history to make a hero out of the man. A sad day, indeed.

  • 18 votes
#1.41 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:26 PM EDT
Lisa Schneider

And Lisa Schneider, Obama can't instantly fix everything that Bush has broken over the last 8 years. That's 8 years worth of mess to fix!

Then:

A. He shouldn't have promised to instantly fix things...ie end Iraq in 16 months, close GITMO first year, tackle immigration reform in his first year, etc, etc.

B. He shouldn't be working so hard to make it worse...they both accomplished a lot in their first 16 months, you bet they have, and both made it worse than it was before them...fast!

  • 6 votes
#1.42 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:27 PM EDT
trex-138069

Lisa, come on! Do you seriously think he said he'd fix those things instantly?

  • 20 votes
#1.43 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:33 PM EDT
Karen in Los Angeles

Who's President Bush?

  • 5 votes
#1.44 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:34 PM EDT
Lisa Schneider

trex...NO! And I am not the one who said what I posted above:

"I will end the Iraq war in 16 months"- CANDIDATE OBAMA

"I will close GITMO my first year." - CANDIDATE OBAMA

"I will tackle Immigration Reform my first year in office." CANDIDATE OBAMA

If he had the time to make it worse, it would follow he should've had adequate time to make it better.

  • 8 votes
#1.45 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:37 PM EDT
Brandon-801865

Like a metastasizing, cancerous hemorrhoid.

  • 18 votes
#1.46 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:41 PM EDT
Schroedingers Cat

No I certainly do not miss him but I sometimes feel sorry for the poor sap! To let Cheney run things so badly Ol' George didn't have a chance to govern the way he wanted to and should have. He should of file 13'd DICK and kicked Carl Rove to the curb!

  • 11 votes
#1.47 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:48 PM EDT
trex-138069

Schroedinger, do you think Bush could ever have done the job on his own, without someone running things in the background? Did he ever once in his life have a job he handled competently?

  • 11 votes
#1.48 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:55 PM EDT
rkymtnwoman

Bush fading far from view, like maybe a black hole in space, along with his S&M puppetmaster Cheney, sounds fabulous to me

  • 13 votes
#1.49 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:58 PM EDT
LCS

The recession we are going through, is the result of policies of the Federal Reserve, and the Clinton Administration, and helped by the inept Pelosi Clan.

When Clinton was elected into office, the Federal Reserve dropped the interest rate from 10.5% to 6%. We in the finance business thought they would never lower the rate lower than 8%, because at 8%, the federal reserve is printing and giving it to the lenders at 6%, the 6% covers inflation. If the interest rate is 6% the Fed is giving it to the lenders at 4%, which does not cover inflation, so our children and their children will be paying for this.

Prior to the Clinton Adminstration, 1978 interest rates 18 to 20% 1984 14% 1986 9.5% and 1992 10.5%. When the Fed lowered the rate we in finance thought that maybe the Federal Reserve liked Clinton, and of course people at that time had loans and were paying 9 to 14%, when they lower it people refinanced and took equity out, and went on a wild spending spree. Also Clinton pushed for loans for people who did not qualify, and had no means of paying it back. Now we are paying for this.

President Bush, will go down as the president who liberated IRAQ, and got rid of Saddam Hussein, in Africa he is very popular, and no president in our history has done more for the poor than he.

Look at Clinton in Rwanda when 800,000 were murdered by machetes, Clinton did nothing, except for his debacle in Somalia.

Thanks George Bush!

  • 8 votes
#1.50 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:09 PM EDT
disgusted independant

How can you miss him when the problems that occurred on his watch won't go away for decades? We are reminded of his bad decisions every time we hear about the economy, the deficit, the wars in the middle east, our lack of green energy options... I know they are not all of his causing, but they are his legacy.

  • 15 votes
#1.51 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:14 PM EDT
Schroedingers Cat

trex..No I don't sadly enough, he himself had said before that he really didn't want the job. His whole campaign was more of a behind the scenes deal than most Americans would ever know. There was and is a whole different process behind his Presidency..almost like the plot of some movie. I'm on your side trex but I don't want to give these righties even one reason to call me a "Hater" because I'm on the correct side politically..you know..the left where we prefer pragmatism over propaganda and paranoia

  • 8 votes
#1.52 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:18 PM EDT
GrayHouse

I admire the spunk of the revisionists who blame the financial meltdown on Democrats.

But why did the GOP lose so many seats during the mid-term elections of 2006?

If Bush and his GOP congress were doing so well, why did they get voted out?

I guess in their books we'll all forget that the reason the Democrats won the majority during the mid-term 2006 elections was due to the glorious mess that the GOP and Bush had created and that the beginnings of the current recession were well underway before the Democrats took majority control of congress back then.

Yes, the Bush admin effed this country up for years to come, and no I will not miss him. Although I blame Cheney far more than Bush and think things would have been radically different, and that Bush would have been a good president without the poison of the Dick, Cheney.

  • 7 votes
#1.53 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:45 PM EDT
proteus2009

Hell phlucking no!

disgusted independant (1.51)

Excellent post!

  • 12 votes
#1.54 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:48 PM EDT
LCS

The facts are Greenspan and Clinton ruin our economy. Clinton by giving our tech to the chinese, and pushing for loans for people who did not qualify.

In 2006 McCain sent a letter signed by 19 senators stating we better do something about Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and the Federal Reserve or we are going to face a major financial meltdown, but the new inept Pelosi Clan did nothing. The 19 senators that signed, not one and I'll repeat not one was a democrat.

However if you Obamabots would like to check facts, go to the Federal Elections Commission Websight, (FEC). Cris Dodd and Barrack Hussein Obama, were the highest paid recipents of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Also thank you George Bush for your work and fight on Partial Birth Abortion.

Now the Obamabots have a president that says no more war on terrorism, but declares war on the unborn, Obama is no more than, how you say, oh yes Obama Sin Laden.

Back to my tall Iced tea and stogey.

  • 6 votes
#1.55 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:04 PM EDT
Norcal2

Masochist may miss the fall of the economy when Bush was leaving office but I think I would miss a hernia more. Maybe if we miss him we can figure out a way to suffer in other ways like beating ourselves over the head so it will fill in the gap.

If you have some free time while missing him why not pull some teeth with pliers or rip out your appendix with tweezers or a chain saw. ;-)

  • 4 votes
#1.56 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:19 PM EDT
Bill-Weeks

I miss President Reagan

  • 4 votes
#1.57 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:20 PM EDT
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mac-525423

Another 18 months of Obamba and we will all be missing America.

  • 7 votes
#1.59 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:39 PM EDT
rkymtnwoman

"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."—" offshore

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10) "Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream." —LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000 (Listen to audio clip)

9) "I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." —Greater Nashua, N.H., Jan. 27, 2000(Listen to audio clip)

8) "I hear there's rumors on the Internets that we're going to have a draft." —second presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004 (Listen to audio clip)

7) "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." —Saginaw, Mich., Sept. 29, 2000 (Listen to audio clip)

6) "You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." —to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005 (Listen to audio clip)

5) "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." —Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004 (Watch video clip; listen to audio clip)

4) "They misunderestimated me." —Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000

3) "Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?" —Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000

2) "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004 (Watch video clip; listen to audio clip)

1) "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 (Watch video clip; listen to audio clip)

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  • 14 votes
#1.60 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:41 PM EDT
killer bees

@ 1.55

LSD. I mean LCS.

I knew some jerk like you would come along and blame Clinton for the mess this country is in.

It gets tired, after a while. Don't you think?

  • 14 votes
#1.61 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:44 PM EDT
fetalmeringueDeleted
LCS

killer bees

What I wrote is fact, if you don't understand any thing I wrote, thats ok. I dont expect you to look at facts. That would only confuse you.

But there might be something that would help, pull really hard on your ears until you hear a pop. Now I know its warm in there, and you may be comfortable, but the longer you stay in there, the more ignorant you become.

  • 3 votes
#1.63 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:13 PM EDT
tmac-425222

LCS

If McCain warned of a financial meltdown, why didn't he recognize it when it happened?

  • 8 votes
#1.64 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:34 PM EDT
Peter Faden

I can't say i miss Gdub, but i do miss "Bushisms" and Will Ferrell as Gdub.

  • 10 votes
#1.65 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:35 PM EDT
Yosho

Same here, Peter. No more new Bushisms. Other than that, I don't miss him one bit.

  • 8 votes
#1.66 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:45 PM EDT
LCS

tmac-425222

Sept 2003 Bush and McCain started work and propose legislation, to reform Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.

However the world had changed, countries like China found out capitalism is not so bad, and the leadership of this great country of ours, controlled the purse strings. America had lost it's manufacturing to China, because of the hatred spread by the Clinton adminstration towards business, and now we were left with a country that mostly lives off intangible products, services. However a countries backbone is manufacturing.

When Greenspan lower the interest rate, Americans refinance their homes, and took equity out to buy cars, computers, cell phones, televisions. and these products we bought are made elsewhere. This was Clintons and Obama's plan spread the wealth, and we did, we consumed, 5 cars per family, 10 televisions, we even had to put televisions in our bathrooms and cars, but all these products came from other countries, from companies that use to be in the United States.

Nafta was created to keep the business on this side of the hemisphere. I live 10 minutes from Mexico. If you go to Mexico Dodge Ram, Ford Escort, Samsung Television, Panasonic Television, Bosch tools, Black and Decker, Bose stereo, notice Mexico has some companies, that made products, in Germany and Japan and Korea, that because of the tariffs put on them.

Thanks to Ronald Reagen Honda and Toyota's are being put together in the United States.

When ever you buy something look to see where it is made, and try to buy American.

Right now I looked at my blackberry, and it is made in Mexico, the battery in Japan, interesting.

  • 5 votes
#1.67 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:19 PM EDT
The Spirit

I did not vote for Bush. I did not agree with Bush on many matters What I miss is being able to turn on the TV without seeing the president's mug spread over every channel.

  • 3 votes
#1.68 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:02 PM EDT
usa1

I do not miss Bush at all, I still would want to see him again on tv, if Bush and Cheney is appearing before a war crime tribunal.

  • 6 votes
#1.69 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:04 PM EDT
Tina-293371

Do I miss Bush? Not just no: Hell no!

  • 6 votes
#1.70 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:06 PM EDT
Zoolopolis

I don't miss Bush but I do wish Obama had half the balls he did. Even while he was destroying the country Bush didn't give a damned about bipartisanship.

We need to transplant Bush's balls into Obama.

  • 1 vote
#1.71 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:42 PM EDT
Kim-401394

hahahaha
I miss Bush the lessor as much as I miss my ex's bad attitude and lousy sexual overtures. MEANING.....NOT one bit!

  • 4 votes
#1.72 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:45 PM EDT
Ripley8

I miss bush about as much as people love the sound of one raking nails on a black board... not at all. But I'm pissed at the crap he left for us to clean up.

  • 6 votes
#1.73 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:55 PM EDT
Cornhusker4Palin

Not only yes, but hell yes, I miss him. He made a share of mistakes, he spent too much, but overall was and is far preferrable to the joke we have for a pResident in the Whitehouse now. Thank You President Bush for the decent job you did, espescially in light of the total failures of your successor and the party in control of congress since the 2006 election. I'm Proud that George W. Bush was our President!

  • 3 votes
#1.74 - Sat May 1, 2010 12:53 AM EDT
"Big Ern" McKracken

I'm Proud that George W. Bush was our President!

Amen Cornhusker. W had a spending problem, an amnesty problem and a rarely used Veto problem; however, he protected us for 7 years, Europe hated us (which makes me proud) and we were killing thousands upon thousand of terrorists that might have otherwise killed many other Americans. Way to go W! America loves you! I bet there was at least one lib that has their head boiling right about now. I miss W!

  • 2 votes
#1.75 - Sat May 1, 2010 9:01 AM EDT
Mr. Miller-447368

Lisa Schneider:

I could go on and on...those on here who can't stand Bush...can you please tell me how Obama is one bit different? I'm pissed, why aren't you?!!!

THANK YOU - have been saying it forever... I mean, really... what's the difference.??

And frankly, until I read this forum, I had no idea he'd left the white house.

  • 3 votes
#1.76 - Sat May 1, 2010 9:29 AM EDT
killer bees

McKracken - however, he protected us for 7 years,

Oh! Just forget how he didn't protect us from 9/11.

Just forget all about that.

  • 2 votes
#1.77 - Sat May 1, 2010 9:39 AM EDT
Ripley8

Lisa Schneider:

I could go on and on...those on here who can't stand Bush...can you please tell me how Obama is one bit different? I'm pissed, why aren't you?!!!

THANK YOU - have been saying it forever... I mean, really... what's the difference.??

for starters ? he didn't start an illegal war based on lies.

  • 3 votes
#1.78 - Sat May 1, 2010 12:35 PM EDT
fetalmeringueDeleted
Ripley8

yes ... the one we should have been focused on in the first place instead of ignored as bush did.

again.. cleaning up after bush.

  • 4 votes
#1.80 - Sat May 1, 2010 2:35 PM EDT
fetalmeringueDeleted
Schroedingers Cat

Lisa Schnieder...let your words give no discourse to your beauty...think about it..

  • 1 vote
#1.82 - Sat May 1, 2010 3:20 PM EDT
"Big Ern" McKracken

Just forget how he didn't protect us from 9/11.

You mean how Clinton had Bin Laden and let him go? W would have at least had the balls and took Bin Laden out instead of thinking how to prosecute the scum bag (Bin Laden not Clinton) in a court of law. So you are right at placing the blame for 9/11 squarely on the shoulders of Clinton where it belongs.

  • 3 votes
#1.83 - Sat May 1, 2010 4:16 PM EDT
rawideas

if he had the desire to find him.

  • 1 vote
#1.84 - Sat May 1, 2010 4:28 PM EDT
webslinger

So you are right at placing the blame for 9/11 squarely on the shoulders of Clinton where it belongs.

Riiiiight......just keep trying to tell yourself that 9/11 happened in 2000 and NOT 2001....9 months into Bush's term.....of course it was Clinton's fault, as was the recession of 2007, as was Katrina, as was everything that happened between January 2001 and January 2009....All Clinton's fault.

  • 1 vote
#1.85 - Sat May 1, 2010 4:50 PM EDT
fetalmeringueDeleted
Ripley8

"Big Ern" McKracken

Just forget how he didn't protect us from 9/11.

You mean how Clinton had Bin Laden and let him go? W would have at least had the balls and took Bin Laden out instead of thinking how to prosecute the scum bag (Bin Laden not Clinton) in a court of law. So you are right at placing the blame for 9/11 squarely on the shoulders of Clinton where it belongs.

what crap. hey how about this ? Reagan made Bin Laden !!! and the TWC basement bombings ? happened 38 days into Clintons presidency . but he didn't blame Bush sr.
you cons did nothing for 8 months on terrorism ! ignored it . actually dismantled what Clinton was doing and obstructed others ...

try some facts before you open your trap ...

the Bush-Cheney anti-terrorism record before September 11, 2001:

-- Backed off Clinton administration's anti-terrorism efforts. -- Shelved the Hart-Rudman report. -- Appointed new anti-terrorism task force under Dick Cheney. Group did not even meet before 9/11. -- Called for cuts in anti-terrorism efforts by the Department of Defense.
-- Gave no priority to anti-terrorism efforts by Justice Department. -- Ignored warnings from Sandy Berger, Louis Freeh, George Tennant, Paul Bremer, and Richard Clarke about the urgency of terrorist threats. -- Halted Predator drone tracking of Osama bin Laden. -- Did nothing in wake of August 6 C.I.A. report to president saying Al Qaeda attack by hijack of an airliner almost certain. -- Bush - knowing about the terrorists' plans to attack in America, warned that terrorists were in flight schools in the US - took a four week vacation.

Contrasted with Clinton's real results:

-- Sent legislation to Congress to TIGHTEN AIRPORT SECURITY. (Remember, this is before 911) The Republicans because of opposition from the airlines, defeated the legislation. -- Sent legislation to Congress to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF TERRORIST FUNDING. Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests, defeated it. -- Sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF EXPLOSIVES USED BY TERRORISTS. The Republicans because of opposition from the NRA, defeated it.

When Republicans couldn't prevent executive action, President Clinton:
-- Developed the nation's first anti-terrorism policy, and appointed first national coordinator.
-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners simultaneously.
-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters.
-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters. -- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington.
--Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Boston airport. -- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY. -- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge. -- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania.
-- Tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.). -- Brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA killings to justice. -- Did not blame Bush I administration for first World Trade Center bombing even though it occurred 38 days after they had left office. Instead, worked hard, even obsessively -- and successfully -- to stop future terrorist attacks. -- Named the Hart-Rudman commission to report on nature of terrorist threats and major steps to be taken to combat terrorism. -- Tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for counterterrorism. -- Detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries -- Created a national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine. -- Robert Oakley, Reagan Counterterrorism Czar says of Clinton's efforts "Overall, I give them very high marks" and "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama" -- Paul Bremer, Bush's Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley saying he believed the Clinton Administration had "correctly focused on bin Laden. " -- Barton Gellman of the Washington Post put it best, "By any measure available, Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him" and was the "first administration to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort."

Clinton maintained submarines armed with cruise missiles in striking distance of his camps. They could launch in, I believe, an hour of receiving intelligence of bin Laden's whereabouts. Three times, the White House received intelligence of bin Laden's presence, and that he was likely to remain at the location for at least an hour. Clinton wanted to order strikes each time, but each time, George Tenet strongly advised against them on security grounds. They didn't happen.

One of Bush's first orders on taking office in January 2001 was to remove the submarines.

"Clinton's advisors met nearly weekly on how to stop bin Laden...I didn't detect that kind of focus from the Bush adminsitration."
- Two Star General Donald Kerrick

what Republicans said about Clinton and his use of the military

"You can support the troops but not the president" ---Rep. Tom Delay
(R-TX)

sound familiar ?

I LOVE THIS ONE !!!

" President . . . is once again releasing American military
might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit
strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation
will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about
how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a
sound foreign policy." ---Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)

"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . . I
didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area." ---Senator
Trent Lott (R-MS)

"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is
they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years." ---Joe
Scarborough (R-FL)

this is just hypocritical !!

"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may
come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up
their life?" ---Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

Yet he supported Bush ! ? lmao

"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it
is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just
learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with
very vague
objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these
questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of
engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition
of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is
no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-
extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital
national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war
when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan
today" ....-Rep. Tom Delay (R-TX)

here Bush had none ...

"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they
have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy." ---
Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W. Bush

and from the grand hypocritical liar himself !!!!

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to
explain to us what the exit strategy is."
-Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

His view on Clinton !

BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING...

"If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]

Yet what does he do ??

...BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING

"We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people." [President Bush, 3/6/03]

so chew on that for a while.

  • 3 votes
#1.87 - Sat May 1, 2010 7:28 PM EDT
Mr. Miller-447368

for starters ? he didn't start an illegal war based on lies. Wow- just wow

Would you believe it if you heard it from their own mouths?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYI7JXGqd0o

  • 1 vote
#1.88 - Sat May 1, 2010 10:28 PM EDT
economics101

Im unclear on how DC ever does a good job of protecting us ... frankly I think tha tmobsters offer about the same sort of protection!

  • 1 vote
#1.89 - Sun May 2, 2010 1:15 AM EDT
killer bees

McKracken - You mean how Clinton had Bin Laden and let him go?

You still believe Bin Laden was the mastermind behind 9/11, don't you?

Do you recall that fake CIA video tape recording of someone they claimed was supposed to be Bin Laden? If they will lie about that, then they will lie about anything.

The Bush administration needed a boogy man, someone to blame for 9/11, and to shift focus from their own failure to protect America, so bin Laden was the obvious choice.

  • 3 votes
#1.90 - Sun May 2, 2010 7:41 PM EDT
Tim S.-560036

Do I miss or did I miss? You aren't asking about my marksmanship are you? [sarc]

Just could resist a little attempt at humor.

  • 2 votes
#1.91 - Mon May 3, 2010 7:11 PM EDT
redshadowwithgreenbackground

Be nice.

  • 2 votes
#1.92 - Mon May 3, 2010 11:07 PM EDT
Reply
redshadowwithgreenbackground

Bush will probably be ranked in the middle on he list of presidents.

  • 9 votes
#2 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:26 AM EDT
webslinger

WHEN?!?!?! In 200 years? He easily belongs in the bottom 5 if not the bottom 3.

  • 34 votes
#2.1 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:35 AM EDT
The Republic of Stupidity

Miss Bush yet?

Noooooooooope...

Right at the bottom... w/ Hoover, Harding, Nixon, Van Buren...

  • 26 votes
#2.2 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:36 AM EDT
bordeaukDeleted
economics101

actually today I don't. Politicians are a necessary evil .... not someone to be missed or admired.

  • 9 votes
#2.4 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:53 AM EDT
redshadowwithgreenbackground

I agree.

  • 1 vote
#2.5 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:12 AM EDT
redshadowwithgreenbackground

In 20 years Bush will be ranked about #25, one ahead of Clinton.

  • 6 votes
#2.6 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:14 AM EDT
redshadowwithgreenbackground

Worst presidents. Harding, Grant, Hoover, Carter, Buchanan

  • 6 votes
#2.7 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:15 AM EDT
webslinger

um....riggggggght.

Bush will not crack the bottom 10 in the next 100 years., but keep thinking he's better than Clinton - what a pipe dream! Of course, you has some EVIDENCE or FACT to back up your claim right? Right?

  • 19 votes
#2.8 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:31 AM EDT
MarkLHolland

If I am not mistaken, was not the economy strong and the middle class happy under Clinton economics. While Clinton can be criticized for many things, Military, Monica, impeding investigations, giving advanced technologies to China. The average American was far better off under Clinton then Bush the Son.

  • 27 votes
#2.9 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:35 AM EDT
Janeinthisworld

Bush will probably be ranked in the middle on he list of presidents.

If you consider the "middle" to be between 1 and 44, well, then, sure.

#25 is pretty generous. I doubt he'll make it out of the worst 10.

  • 15 votes
#2.10 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:10 PM EDT
goober.70

Bush will probably be ranked in the middle on he list of presidents.

Yes Red he will in the middle right between worst and he should have never happened to America!!!

  • 11 votes
#2.11 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:22 PM EDT
jim weinertDeleted
MarkLHolland

To Jim

The Democrats who voted for the Iraq war did so based upon invalid information provided to them by the Bush the Sons administration. When the information was proven false these Democrats had every right to call Bush the Son on it.

  • 18 votes
#2.13 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:46 PM EDT
Nicey-1026620

He was dealt a series of difficult hands, from inheriting a recession, 9-11, War on Islamic tyranny, $4 gas, etc.

It was a very, very mild recession. Unemployment topped at like 6.3%. He made the war on Iraq, he wasn't delt anything. There was no reason to go to war.

His primary fault was allowing left-wing idiots to define him without confronting them. The Democratic traitors voted for the war on the same arguments, then undermined the commander in chief for crass political advantage

So 70-75% of the populace who disapproved him was doing the same thing?

For one thing, his administration misled everyone. From the US populace to the UN. They didn't let intelligence guide policy, they made policy guide intelligence. You can't blame us for turning against him because his administration lied to us.

I was neither for, nor against the war. I had no conclusion at the time. But after all the evidence came to light I had a real conclusion. They had betrayed the US military, by not listening to them, the US populace, by decieving them, and the international community, by harming it.

  • 14 votes
#2.14 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:47 PM EDT
DEBEKI

Bush, Bush Bush - Here's a memo that says we're going to be attack by air from al qaeda -

"Ok Son, You've covered your ass - now get out of here. "

Bush didn't inherit 9/11 - he ignored the intelligence and instead of reading the memo he opted for "My Pet Goat".

  • 14 votes
#2.15 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:11 PM EDT
Uthaclena

MarkLHolland

The Democrats who voted for the Iraq war did so based upon invalid information provided to them by the Bush the Sons administration.

Well... some of them did. Others did so because they were spineless. Remember? "You're either for us, or you're against us." And I say this as a Democrat myself.

  • 5 votes
#2.16 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:49 PM EDT
webslinger

Jim,

That's revisionism at it's finest.

1. Bush inherited a projected SURPLUS and at the least, a balanced budget.

2. Bush IGNORED intel and did very little in the way of "anti-terrorism" for the 8 months prior to 9/11.

3. Bush sat like a @!$%#ing idiot ON 9/11 and told us to go shopping and buy duct tape afterwards.

4. Bush invaded Afghanistan to overthrow the Taliban following 9/11 (the ONE thing I give him credit for.

5. Bush allowed Cheney to craft his energy policy and we saw gas prices go from $1.20 a gallon at the beginning of his term to almost $5.00 in 2007....all the while stock prices and profits went through the roof for KBR, Halliburton, Exxon-Mobil, etc.

6. Bush had the worst job creation record of any president in modern history, and that was BEFORE 2007.

7. Once the Taliban were ousted, Bush installed a puppet regime in Afghanistan, and then turn his eyes towards Iraq....meanwhile, Bin Laden was never found.

8. Despite the fact that Iraq posed no immediate threat to the US or our allies and that UN sanctions that had been in place since 1991 were WORKING, Bush, via Powell pressured the UN to issue Resolution 1441....because UN weapons inspectors didn't find any WMDs, but we "knew" Saddaam had them....4000 plus brave American soldiers have paid the ultimate price for this lie and the cost to the American people is rapidly approaching a trillion dollars...wasteful spending anyone?

9. Bush scared Congress into voting for the AUMF (authorization for use of military force) to enforce UN Resolution 1441 with talk of mushroom clouds and another 9/11....in short, he LIED.

10. Bush pulled the bulk of our forces out of Afghanistan to invade/occupy Iraq, thus allowing the Taliban and Al Quada to hide in the Tora Bora region and reconstitute themselves.

11. Bush set up a puppet regime in Iraq, stirred up a hornet's nest, failed to take into account the costs and length of his "nation building", declared "mission accomplished" before it was so, left the country in worse condition than before we got there, hid the bill from the American people and left the @!$%#pile for his successor to clean up.

12. Bush embarrassed us all around the world while he "globe-trotted" from country to country, including going to Beijing for the Olympics, in-between taking more vacation than any other president EVER, ostracized our allies and friends, allowed his party to insult our oldest ally, France, sucked up to Saudi Arabia, had his representative to the UN make us look like fools, etc, etc, etc.

13. Bush nominates two radicals to the Supreme Court and thankfully failed to secure the appointment of Harriet Miers....also thankfully, several of his more radical appointments/nominees (Bolton, Kerik) either were stalled in committee or withdrew their nominations before being allowed permanent positions in the administration.

14. Bush's administration outed a covert CIA agent then lied about it; suspicions are that this lead to the office of the VP and/or the Attorney General and Karl Rove.

15. While Bush didn't "cause" the economic collapse of 2007, it was his administration that proposed TARP and the bailouts, not Obama's administration....his lack of oversight, coupled with the deregulation enacted by his REPUBLICAN allies in Congress lead to a near worldwide collapse and a second Great Depression.

16. Katrina....

17. Bush's two tax cuts have sucked trillons of dollars out of the US treasury, coupled with Iraq, Afghanistan and, Medicare Part D, NCLB and other unfunded mandates, this lead to 7 years of deficit spending, with his final budget including some $1.3 trillion in DEFICIT. The National Debt he inherited was some $4 trillion, and when Obama took office, it was some $12 trillion.....fiscal responsibility?

There are charts and graphs aplenty that indicate that the Bush years were a total disaster on pretty much every front you can imagine, perhaps you should look into that a little before you opine that Bush was even a "mediocre" president, or anything besides one of the absolute worst we have ever had.

  • 20 votes
#2.17 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:10 PM EDT
HappyToSeeYa

jim weinert @2.12

You forgot: Bush was so certain that government did not need the surplus that was in our treasury, he busted the surplus by giving all taxpayers a special refund check. Right after we got our checks in the mail, 9/11 happened. The rest is Bush administration deficit history.

  • 8 votes
#2.18 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:31 PM EDT
PK Raja

Bush Junior had an opportunity of lifetime to unite the country unlike any of his predecessors, save FDR, when we were attacked on 9/11. If he had only went after Al-Queda after 9/11 and cleaned up the mess there, he would have the whole country behind him. Instead, he and his team of neo-cons in their lust for a New World Order took us into Iraq based on lies. This guy occupied the office of the President of the United States and hopefully someday, he will have some quality to reflect on his decisions while rotting in jail - with his good pal Cheney in the next block. Do I miss him - no, I just miss the trial that he should have been put on.

  • 10 votes
#2.19 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:40 PM EDT
jim weinertDeleted
"Big Ern" McKracken

was not the economy strong and the middle class happy under Clinton economics.

Of course it was there was a GOP majority. Please inform me how Clinton did anything other than sign bills and receive b.j's? I forgot he also bombed Bosnia and killed scores to take the heat off during Lewisnky and his impeachment.

  • 6 votes
#2.21 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:49 PM EDT
fetalmeringueDeleted
rkymtnwoman

LOL red is this a focus group question? lol

  • 2 votes
#2.23 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:08 PM EDT
tmac-425222

jim weinert

Bull@!$%#.

President Clinton made the exact same arguments prior to Bush even running for office.

The dishonesty of the left is profound.

Clinton did not use it to start an unnecessary war. Big difference!

  • 2 votes
#2.24 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:42 PM EDT
fetalmeringueDeleted
usa1

I think Bush will be ranked behind Hoover due to his mishandling of the economy,9-11, Iraq, and the bailouts he and Paulson initiated.

  • 6 votes
#2.26 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:18 PM EDT
Tina-293371

I miss Harry Truman, that's who I miss.

  • 2 votes
#2.27 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:18 PM EDT
Uthaclena

"Big Ern" McKracken

Please inform me how Clinton did anything other than sign bills and receive b.j's? I forgot he also bombed Bosnia and killed scores to take the heat off during Lewisnky and his impeachment.

Yeah, how dare he intervened in the ethnic cleansing and genocide - just a distraction!

  • 4 votes
#2.28 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:41 PM EDT
KFPH

Bush was a good man and a good president.

He was dealt a series of difficult hands, from inheriting a recession, 9-11, War on Islamic tyranny, $4 gas, etc. Still he managed to keep the unemployment low.

No he did not-the recession started in March 2001, gas was $1.46 when bush took office, and unemployment rose to 4.2 % in Jan. '01- to 6.3% in June '03-steadied at 4.4% in March '07, rose to 6.1% in August '08-to 7.2% in Dec. '08-rounding out his term to 7.6%-not exactly low.

Just keep on re-writing history, you're doing yourself a great service.

The ignorance of the right is profound

  • 8 votes
#2.29 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:47 PM EDT
Ripley8

by the numbers ??? so far , Bush will go down as the lowest at 23% ... that's 2 points lower than Carters lowest.. there is one other president lower but that was before polls.

his illegal war in Iraq at least however has assured him of the spot.

  • 9 votes
#2.30 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:57 PM EDT
FRED-1090120

I can't wait after the 2012 election when the seed will be, do you miss Obama yet, then i will say, HELL NO, Obama was the worst President ever right behind Jimmy Carter.

  • 2 votes
#2.31 - Sun May 2, 2010 12:07 AM EDT
usa1

Fred

always remind me of that group Right said Fred,and their one hit wonder Im too sexy

Sorry Fred but just humorous

  • 1 vote
#2.32 - Sun May 2, 2010 6:12 AM EDT
webslinger

Unless the GOP can come up with a viable candidate, then your little pipe dream ain't gonna happen Fred. At the moment, the GOP field is as follows, in order per the straw polls (I think):

Romney,

Paul,

Huckabee,

Gingrich,

Palin.

And not one of them is polling above 50% in the GOP polls, let alone the "likely voters" or "registered voters" polls. And even if YOU don't like Obama, he's still sitting at about 50% approval (+ or - the margin of error) and easily outpolls any of those tools. In fact, nationally, there isn't ONE Republican remotely as popular as the President, even Brown......so, yeah, good luck with that one. As the 2012 kicks into gear at the end of next year, things will be better, jobs wise and the people will be reminded of who actually did the people's work who either made up bull@!$%# claims and sat on their hands. Reality does not support your point of view.

  • 1 vote
#2.33 - Sun May 2, 2010 11:52 AM EDT
Tim S.-560036

Right at the bottom... w/ Hoover, Harding, Nixon, Van Buren...

Hey, by comparison Nixon wasn't that bad. He only committed war crimes in a war he inherited, burglarized the democrats instead of stealing trillions from the American people and attacked the Constitution in regards to a handful of people on his enemies list. He is not even in the same league as W.

  • 1 vote
#2.34 - Mon May 3, 2010 7:21 PM EDT
redshadowwithgreenbackground

Sounds much like Clinton.

  • 2 votes
#2.35 - Mon May 3, 2010 11:08 PM EDT
CL1

Wow, redshadow, this is like a msnbc seed! ...(Congrats, actually!) ..I found a spot to slip in!

From Hotdogs, Bulldogs to Bush .... well, atleast you're still on-track!! To answer your question, probably, "no." I did originally have respect for his, seemingly, having 'guts' to make the tough calls ... until I decided I didn't trust his motives regarding war, HS and the Patriot Act to name a few; but Obama hasn't proven to be much different overall - except he is projected to spend more within his term as well as raise the deficit more in 4 years than Bush did in 8 - I know, many refute that - we'll see, I guess. If "es" is here, I'm sure he jumped all over the statistics in the article! And, no I don't miss Clinton - doesn't everyone blame him for removing the Glass-Steagle Act? Your 2.6 sounds like you know more about the 'bad guys' than I do. Interesting thought about Bush, though; I wonder if he had it to do over, if he would do things differently?

  • 2 votes
#2.36 - Mon May 3, 2010 11:48 PM EDT
Peter Faden

You'd really have to ask Rove and Cheney that question...

  • 2 votes
#2.37 - Mon May 3, 2010 11:51 PM EDT
CL1

LOL. I bet Cheney would say 'no.' -- Bush seemed to be a little softer, imo,..a little more heart, sort of. It appeared they started to disagree on war policies and such.

  • 1 vote
#2.38 - Tue May 4, 2010 12:03 AM EDT
Tim S.-560036

Sounds much like Clinton.

In what way? I don't recall Clinton starting wars, burglarizing the GOP, or having an enemies list? He had a number of faults and problems, but I don't recall any of those.

  • 3 votes
#2.39 - Thu May 6, 2010 10:46 AM EDT
Reply
Old Bohemian

Which one?

  • 1 vote
Reply#3 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:40 AM EDT
800 lb. gorilla

w

  • 4 votes
#3.1 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:42 AM EDT
btco

I am thankful they BOTH are gone.

  • 19 votes
#3.2 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:44 AM EDT
redshadowwithgreenbackground

Does anyone miss Clinton.

  • 6 votes
#3.3 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:16 AM EDT
Bluekilgoretrout

Monica.

  • 13 votes
#3.4 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:19 AM EDT
800 lb. gorilla

i miss the clinton economy and balanced budget, and the lower gas prices, and of course, the personal freedoms that we had.

  • 24 votes
#3.5 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:31 AM EDT
evilgenius

Does anyone miss Clinton.

No

  • 2 votes
#3.6 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:00 PM EDT
Old Bohemian

I've never missed an President.

  • 1 vote
#3.7 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:06 PM EDT
Undescribable

LOL

redshadowwithgreenbackground

Does anyone miss Clinton.

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  • 2 DId u relog to vote for yourself, Seriously The Seeder Changing the Thread is the Most Hilarious (<---Hillary) deflection of the seed at hand.
  • 1 vote
#3.8 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:18 PM EDT
Schroedingers Cat

Yeah Red I miss Ol Billy! he was always good for a laugh....and our economy..oh and our standing in the world and the educational system.

  • 8 votes
#3.9 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:51 PM EDT
doctorsteph

how can we miss clinton when they won't go away?

  • 2 votes
#3.10 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:05 PM EDT
radmod

Yes, I miss Clinton's presidency. A lot. I also miss that of his actual successor, Al Gore. You know, the one more people voted for than Bush Jr? But oh well; as some would have it, we were way better off with Bush stealing that election and doing such wonders for this country as we've seen for the last decade (and beyond). Aren't we all much better off now? Hmmm?

  • 8 votes
#3.11 - Sat May 1, 2010 2:24 AM EDT
Reply
Metal Guitarist

Prior to President Obama, America had no president for eight years. This is due to election fraud in 2000.

  • 27 votes
Reply#4 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:41 AM EDT
800 lb. gorilla

hey, why should people of a different skin tone other than lily white get to vote or have their votes counted? are you trying to take power away from the whites? those people might vote for a black man or a democrat.

  • 7 votes
#4.1 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:43 AM EDT
bordeaukDeleted
800 lb. gorilla

they might.

  • 3 votes
#4.3 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:08 AM EDT
redshadowwithgreenbackground

Or a republican, or Libertarian, or Tea party.

  • 1 vote
#4.4 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:17 AM EDT
redshadowwithgreenbackground

Metal Guitarist

Prior to President Obama, America had no president for eight years. This is due to election fraud in 2000.

Gore did commit massive vote fraud but he lost.

  • 4 votes
#4.5 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:20 AM EDT
Lola-984242

GWB did commit massive voter fraud and he won.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/feature/2000/12/04/voter_file

"If Vice President Al Gore is wondering where his Florida votes went, rather than sift through a pile of chad, he might want to look at a "scrub list" of 173,000 names targeted to be knocked off the Florida voter registry by a division of the office of Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris. A close examination suggests thousands of voters may have lost their right to vote based on a flaw-ridden list that included purported "felons" provided by a private firm with tight Republican ties."

Does anyone recall Diebolt?

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm

"If you strip away the partisan rancor over the 2000 election, you are left with the undeniable fact that a presidential candidate conceded the election to his opponent based on [results from] a second card that mysteriously appears, subtracts 16,022 votes, then just as mysteriously disappears."

  • 12 votes
#4.6 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:32 AM EDT
800 lb. gorilla

shadow

Or a republican, or Libertarian, or Tea party.

and that is why their vote should count. we can not assume that all minorities will vote for a democrat.

  • 6 votes
#4.7 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:33 AM EDT
800 lb. gorilla

shadow

Gore did commit massive vote fraud but he lost.

link please.

  • 8 votes
#4.8 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:34 AM EDT
bordeaukDeleted
800 lb. gorilla

bord

so are you saying that we should just give up?

  • 3 votes
#4.10 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:00 PM EDT
bordeaukDeleted
Lola-984242

Please see post# 4.6 bordeauk. Although I don't think Bush himself had his finger in the cookie jar, I believe the people he surrounded himself with did, Rove, Cheney, his brother Jeb, Katherine Harris, etc. and people who felt they would get something out of helping him, ambassadorships and no-bid contracts for example.

  • 10 votes
#4.12 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:50 PM EDT
sixfeetunderhope

I DO NOT MISS bush that was installed by the same that installed Obama; the BANKSTER CARTEL, led by a. "greenspam", sandi weill, rubin, summers, rahm, geithner,greenberg,phil gramm, bush and his dick-tator, wolfowitz, h. paulson, bernanke,TBTF, Obama, bernanke,geithner, rahm, rubin , summers...all hedge funds criminal CEOs...s. cohen & SEC Capital, a. schwartzman & Blackstone Group,litowitz& Magnetar& CItadel & e. rahm, and so many unknown stories waiting to be revealed...

I miss him, when I don't see his face on my toilet paper...

    #4.13 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:27 PM EDT
    kappa_man_stew

    don't leave out ken blackwell in ohio in 2004

    • 1 vote
    #4.14 - Sat May 1, 2010 11:12 AM EDT
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    bordeaukDeleted
    Undescribable

    Just the Stupid things he says.

    • 10 votes
    Reply#6 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:45 AM EDT
    redshadowwithgreenbackground

    And the stupid things said about him.

    • 3 votes
    #6.1 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:22 AM EDT
    CCArm

    And the stupid things said about him.

    he was indeed the best fodder comedians ever had.

    I cannot look at a picture of him and not see Alfred E Newman.

    • 12 votes
    #6.2 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:56 AM EDT
    Janeinthisworld

    His motto should be "what, me worry?" It would make perfect sense.

    • 7 votes
    #6.3 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:12 PM EDT
    DEBEKI

    NOPE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzwiEhUoQUU Confession 9/11

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sulDYYAiCU Lies on Staying the course

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USnxe7hxP4I Exposives on 9/11?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm73wOuPL60 Lie about Sept 11

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_SDGb-TJcU W lies to press re: 9/11

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtUpnQDe9_U W drunk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKc6UMfZW6U w drunk at G8 summit

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS7hQ3N5e-o Bush knows he is a criminal

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qMJAlZnOqQ Rachel Maddow - W a criminal

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmX23l0ouo8 How many days in February

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5skcF6Kljtw Totally Stupid Bush

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV4lJr6AhJA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDFNIGdd9oI Bush dumb

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtyeT0oYnpE Another stupid speech from Bush

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXbKLyP_9ac W lied over 900 times

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAApnqLgguc Bushes Legacy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ynMg6dxzQA Bush legacy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqG2ZdIz9uM Bush on Bush's legacy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ux3DKxxFoM Bush makes fool of himself

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-sHxr-995o B ush goes off on Matt Lauer

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD7BDP3XMG0 W can't answer questions contractors military

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fze2J2Ve9is banned inteview bush

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9whu1o_zbM Bush making big fool of self

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZElEtaexG4w W's ideology

    • 13 votes
    #6.4 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:55 PM EDT
    Undescribable

    DEBEKI

    Thanks for the Reminding Chills, I still pinch myself to make sure I'm still alive. P.s. someone would seem to think you idolized W. with all the supporting links.j.k. Interesting Indeed.

    • 4 votes
    #6.5 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:11 PM EDT
    DEBEKI

    Check out the Links Undescribable - Just keeping it real. Some people have short memories.

    Do I miss him NO - Will I forget the sh1t storm he left us - NO - Do I think he's somethng to idolize - NO.

    Was he a disgrace to we, the people, the country and the world - YES.

    Hope that clarifies it for you Undescribable. LOL

    • 7 votes
    #6.6 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:21 PM EDT
    Undescribable

    U got my vote DEBEKI, I hope we can fight the TX board of Education Glazing the Truths of History and Consequences of his influence in Gov't like physics all the Actions have now created Reactions of today us Citizens experience suffrage.

    • 6 votes
    #6.7 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:27 PM EDT
    Locust

    I will have to follow up with the links later (it looks like hours of entertainment regardless of the side you take) but I have to give you a thumbs up for putting the effort into locating those articles (whether by yourself or a second party). It is nice to see people come to the table with information that helped mold their perspective. Thanks!!

    • 4 votes
    #6.8 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:07 PM EDT
    Locust

    BTW, and I apologize from breaking from the topic (I personally won't miss Bush but less for him and his actions and more for Carl Rove having so much air time) but, why does Texas make all of the school books?

    Is their a special license required to make the books or is it simply a matter of resources. I ask because if it is resources, Washington State (my state :)) has TONS of trees. If so, we could set up a plant in Eastern Washington (I think they need more jobs on their side of the mountains) that would create jobs, provide a balanced educational perspective (we have a WIDE range of strongly held viewpoints in our state that would make it difficult to "create" history), and reduce the carbon foot print since we can simply chop the trees on our side and bus them over the mountains to their side.

    Thanks for calling that out. I will have to look in to that.

    • 4 votes
    #6.9 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:18 PM EDT
    trex-138069

    Texas doesn't make the schoolbooks, they just use the law of supply and demand to dictate what will be in them. Texas adopts statewide curricula, and choose the textbooks that reflect them. Textbook publishers, rather than go to the expense of printing a Texas edition and an edition for everyone else, usually just go with whatever Texas wants. Which explains a lot about the state of American education.

    • 5 votes
    #6.10 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:41 PM EDT
    Schroedingers Cat

    trex..and THAT is something that needs to be changed!!! Why should ONE backward truth hating school system pervert the rest of this nations ability to educate students properly! It was Mia Angelou the poet who once said those who know better do better!

    • 7 votes
    #6.11 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:56 PM EDT
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    1623 yankee

    We also believe that leaders who make tough decisions are rarely popular when they're president, but that history puts things into context

    Especially when that history is being rewritten by the Texas Board of Education.

    • 14 votes
    Reply#7 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:46 AM EDT
    redshadowwithgreenbackground

    After being rewritten by the Clinton dept. of education.

    • 2 votes
    #7.1 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:24 AM EDT
    800 lb. gorilla

    shadow

    ??? to what, are you referring?

    • 5 votes
    #7.2 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:35 AM EDT
    1623 yankee

    It's OK gorilla, just a PeeWee ("I know you are but what am I?") point or ass-fact. SOP for groupies. No worries.

    • 4 votes
    #7.3 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:03 PM EDT
    Janeinthisworld

    There was a little thing called "No Child Left Behind" which is decimating our public schools. That came from Bush.

    • 12 votes
    #7.4 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:13 PM EDT
    800 lb. gorilla

    every child left behind. true that.

    • 10 votes
    #7.5 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:18 PM EDT
    Schroedingers Cat

    should have been called..No child left unscathed!

    • 6 votes
    #7.6 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:58 PM EDT
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    Tyler Durden-330839

    Enough with this stupid fvcking question already.

    • 7 votes
    Reply#8 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:48 AM EDT
    redshadowwithgreenbackground

    Okay.

    • 3 votes
    #8.1 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:24 AM EDT
    Reply
    Al 616

    No. I do not miss Mr. Bush. The only people the Republican Party administration cares about is Big Wealth.

    • 9 votes
    #9 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:49 AM EDT
    bordeaukDeleted
    redshadowwithgreenbackgroundExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    And dems care only about socialism.

    • 2 votes
    #9.2 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:25 AM EDT
    800 lb. gorilla

    shadow

    i would hope that the moderator would not post troll posts. blanket generalizations about groups are almost always false.

    • 10 votes
    #9.3 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:36 AM EDT
    bordeaukDeleted
    CCArm

    i would hope that the moderator would not post troll posts. blanket generalizations about groups are almost always false.

    Here here Gorilla!

    • 8 votes
    #9.5 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:58 AM EDT
    Al 616

    RSGB:

    There's that buzzword again. We have a socialized military, socialized postal system, socialized road construction, etc...

    Not all socialism is bad. Do I want a 100% socialized society? Of course not. It wouldn't work. Do I want a 100% capitalistic society? Of course not! The de-regulation of business and banking has shown that corporate greed trumps the trickle down theory. We need a balance. I'm not even saying 50/50. The balance should lean toward capitalism, but have enough checks and balances (yes, regulation) to keep big business from doing what it's been doing for the past 30 years.

    The middle class and lower class think things are bad now? Put a republican back in office in 2012. You'll see Armegeddon.

    • 12 votes
    #9.6 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:10 PM EDT
    Janeinthisworld

    We are not turning into a socialist society. But even if we were, at least Socialism is about people and providing for those people. Big wealth is just about....money....and the people who just want more and more without any consideration for those who work their butts off their whole life so those people can get more money.

    • 7 votes
    #9.7 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:21 PM EDT
    Locust

    Has anyone seen data on the percentage of people who agree with a more socialist perspective based on economic standing?

    I wonder if the "haves" are less inclined to support the idea that government should play a larger role in our life than the "have nots". I mean, to me, it makes sense that people with money would rather keep it (less taxes) than give it to people who don't (in the form of social services, etc.) but I wonder if the opposite is actually true.

    I mean a lot of "have nots" are very proud, fully competent and aren't looking for a bail out per se, they are simply looking for the opportunity to succeed. A lot of "haves" pay tithes and donate to various organizations. Maybe neither side is as polarized (once again based on a representative sample with simple, well defined questions that are not gender, economic, education level biased) as I have been led to believe.

    If the info is out there and you know where it is, I would love to see it.

    Thanks!

      #9.8 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:32 PM EDT
      UNA_Lion

      We are not turning into a socialist society. But even if we were, at least Socialism is about people and providing for those people.

      Yes. It certainly worked out well for the Soviet Union.

      • 2 votes
      #9.9 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:44 PM EDT
      Schroedingers Cat

      NO bordeauk...It hurts us all to hear baseless false accusations! But I know it does not hurt the right to say them...first you must have a conscience..

      • 3 votes
      #9.10 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:03 PM EDT
      Schroedingers Cat

      Janeinthisworld..Your Correct!...I would rather LIVE under a socialist Democracy than to be REPRESSED under a Facist Theocratic Military Regime, because it is the people who are important not the uber wealthy and their un ending greed. We used to have an Economy where the GNP for Big Banks and Investment firms used to be 17% of the pie..now the GNP is 63%!! That means there is much less cash for the rest of us and much more for those who do not need another FRAKKIN' penny.

      • 6 votes
      #9.11 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:12 PM EDT
      Tina-293371

      UNA Lion, The Soviet Union was Communist, not Socialist.

      • 1 vote
      #9.12 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:13 PM EDT
      Peter Faden

      Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

      • 4 votes
      #9.13 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:37 PM EDT
      Tina-293371

      I stand corrected. It was a socialist state governed by the communist party.

      Thanks

      • 1 vote
      #9.14 - Sat May 1, 2010 8:49 AM EDT
      economics101

      which is of course the translation from Russian - Since Chile and Indonesia under brutal dictators (genocide, torture, death squads and concentration camps) were CIA run "capitalsits" there is abviously a big range in these "terms"

        #9.15 - Sun May 2, 2010 12:09 PM EDT
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        Billie-631456

        I hate to sound like a republican but No! No!No!

        • 15 votes
        Reply#10 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:52 AM EDT
        bordeaukDeleted
        rls8r

        Same thing.

        • 9 votes
        #10.2 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:07 AM EDT
        bordeaukDeleted
        redshadowwithgreenbackground

        Be nice.

        • 2 votes
        #10.4 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:26 AM EDT
        Janeinthisworld

        Still got the vaseline from the Bush administration too.

        • 4 votes
        #10.5 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:15 PM EDT
        bordeaukDeleted
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        Polka14

        Bush was the worst president ever. Not only did he let 9/11 happen, he invaded an innocent country (Iraq). Bush's lack of government involvement let to the financial collapse of 2008 and his administration created severe financial deficits in our government where President Clinton saw surpluses. I will never miss that president.

        • 13 votes
        #11 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:54 AM EDT
        bordeaukDeleted
        MarkLHolland

        To bordeauk

        I believe that by the time the war was authorized Bush the Son had a super majority, and for about six years the Dems were relegated to sitting on their arses twiddling their thumbs. I am speaking of Iraq, Afghanistan was a no brain-er we had to go after them, we simply did it the wrong way.

        • 11 votes
        #11.2 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:01 AM EDT
        800 lb. gorilla

        bord

        if you thought that saddam hussein was trying to amass weapons of mass destruction, which he wasn't, then you might have voted that way as well. it is possible that the congress was mislead.

        • 9 votes
        #11.3 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:01 AM EDT
        webslinger

        No,

        We had a REPUBLICAN Congress that did that.....based on lies.

        • 12 votes
        #11.4 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:01 AM EDT
        bordeaukDeleted
        madvargr

        didn't our nation have a Democratic controlled Congress who had to vote YES on the war for us to be there?

        No - next GOP talking point?

        I bet your the kind of person that gets into a car crash while riding in the car and then blames the doctor for all of your troubles as he's trying to put a cast on your arm...

        • 8 votes
        #11.6 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:09 AM EDT
        bordeaukDeleted
        Lisa Schneider

        And who's voting "yes" now to keep Iraq going...suddenly likes "surges" when they ran against Bush surge and on ending it in 16 months?

        • 4 votes
        #11.8 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:25 AM EDT
        redshadowwithgreenbackground

        And Obama doubled the troops in Afghanistan.

        • 4 votes
        #11.9 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:28 AM EDT
        Polka14

        Afghanistan is a war against the terrorists and the Taliban. I think we should leave that country too but if the president thinks the war there is just then I will agree with him for now. The war in Iraq is unjust and it ruined that country.

        • 7 votes
        #11.10 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:30 AM EDT
        800 lb. gorilla

        i am for the war for heroin, but i am against the war for oil. therefore, i believe that obama has got it right.

        • 8 votes
        #11.11 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:38 AM EDT
        bordeaukDeleted
        CCArm

        bordeauk,

        you are correct, the Bush administration did use our children/soldiers to do their dirty work, and I do believe Cheney is still laughing all the way to the bank.

        Afghanistan was a justified war, and Obama promised to put the emphasis and resources back there to combat the enemy we are still facing. We will start withdrawing in 2011, there will be an end to it.

        • 10 votes
        #11.13 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:11 PM EDT
        bordeaukDeleted
        UNA_Lion

        Polka14

        Bush was the worst president ever.

        See there aren't many students of history here. What do they teach you kids these days?

        Anyone who has a basic working knowledge US history will have little challenge with finding a worse president, and there are a few. My own vote for the worst US President goes to Mr. James Buchanan:

        As President he was a "doughface", a Northerner with Southern sympathies who battled with Stephen A. Douglas for the control of the Democratic Party. Buchanan's efforts to maintain peace between the North and the South alienated both sides, and as the Southern states declared their secession in the prologue to the American Civil War, Buchanan's opinion was that secession was illegal, but that going to war to stop it was also illegal; hence, he remained inactive. By the time he left office, popular opinion had turned against him, and the Democratic Party had split in two. Buchanan had once hoped that his presidency might rank in history with that of George Washington. However, his handling of the crisis preceding the Civil War has led to his consistent ranking by historians as one of the worst Presidents.

        Mr. Buchanan's policies and failures did a great deal to accelerate secession of Southern states from the US, which led to four years of the most horrific conflict ever on the continental US. Indeed, it took a dictator in the form of a US President (Mr. Lincoln) to preserve the union and undo his monumental damage. IMO, the man is head and shoulders above any other US President in achievement of infamy. Only the US President who presides over the final dissolution of the United States will be able to achieve greater levels of infamy. In levels of national-level ineffectiveness, IMO Mr. Buchanan tops even Mr. ("Peace in our time") Chamberlain of Great Britain, who saw Hitler rise to power and did nothing to stop it.

        • 1 vote
        #11.15 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:50 PM EDT
        madvargr

        My own vote for the worst US President goes to Mr. James Buchanan:

        His predecessor was pretty bad - called out Federal Troops to negate a valid state election.

        His inoffensive personality caused him to make many friends, but he suffered tragedy in his personal life and as president subsequently made decisions which were widely criticized and divisive in their effects, thus giving him the reputation as one of the worst presidents in U.S. history. Pierce's popularity in the North declined sharply after he came out in favor of the Kansas-Nebraska Act, repealing the Missouri Compromise and reopening the question of the expansion of slavery in the West. Pierce's credibility was further damaged when several of his diplomats issued the Ostend Manifesto.

        I still think Bush ranks right along side them on the list...

        • 2 votes
        #11.16 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:37 PM EDT
        Tina-293371

        You are correct: Pierce and Buchanan WERE probably the two worst.

        • 1 vote
        #11.17 - Sat May 1, 2010 10:00 PM EDT
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        inoubliable

        this question seems to be asked, and answered, a LOT lately. i don't get it.

        as for me? do i miss W? nope. i don't even need him for comedic relief, now that Palin won't go away.

        • 7 votes
        Reply#12 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:51 PM EDT
        Farmgirl-1041363

        Let's see, under President Bush, myself, my husband and my daughter were all employed. Since the election of Pres. Obama, my husband was laid off for 11 months in 2009, I was laid off for 5 months in 2009 and my daughter had her company close in 2009. So yes, we miss Bush.

        We are lucky though, living in MI and in a county that has 18% unemployment, at least we are now back to work. My daughter is looking out of state to find an IT job. So if you believe that this Administration has helped you out, then more power to you.

        Our family can't wait to vote in November. We have supported our Dem Senator and Governor but no more. The Republicans can't do any worse than what they have done in the last year. So much for their JOBS, JOBS, JOBS. The JOBS aren't HERE, HERE, HERE.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#13 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:59 PM EDT
        Lola-984242

        Farmgirl - Let's see, under President Bush, myself, my husband and my daughter were all employed. Since the election of Pres. Obama, my husband was laid off for 11 months in 2009, I was laid off for 5 months in 2009 and my daughter had her company close in 2009. So yes, we miss Bush.

        Yeah right, because President Obama caused our economic problems along with unemployment. /sarc/

        The Republicans can't do any worse than what they have done in the last year.

        Which is nothing, at least our President is trying to do something. If you recall, the market crashed under the Bush Presidency in Sept 2008, and Obama had a plate of sh!t handed to him Jan. 20, 2009 and has been trying to fix it ever since with absolutely no help from the GOP. At this point, if Obama had a magic wand to fix the economy but had to get an okay vote from congress, ever GOP member would vote NO! They don't give a sh!t about you and your family Farmgirl, all they care about is being in power.

        • 14 votes
        #13.1 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:09 PM EDT
        inoubliable

        the jobs aren't there? yet you're back to work already? cry me a river. plenty of people have been out of work for years. years. years that started under W.

        • 10 votes
        #13.2 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:12 PM EDT
        800 lb. gorilla

        farmgirl

        while you are right to place blame. your blame is misplaced. do you really believe that the economy tanked just after obama was elected? it takes months or even years to mess up an economy as big as the united states' economy. if obama was president for three or four years and you lost your job due to a bad economy, then you might have something there, but he has only been in over a year. none of the things that he or congress has done probably affected the loss of your job, which took longer than just that short time frame to happen.

        • 7 votes
        #13.3 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:23 PM EDT
        Undescribable

        If the real World is so popular and Reality T.v. Show's like Survivor or Apprentice thrive while our economy and environment tank? I would think if MTV had done a reality apprentice with every congressional member of congress the audience may blush just a thought.

        I can't blame a POTUS for only a year and some months on the job.

        • 5 votes
        #13.4 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:48 PM EDT
        Janeinthisworld

        Farmgirl you forget that the economy tanked before Bush left office. When you've got a rock that big rolling down the hill already, do you really expect anyone could stop it before it hits the bottom?

        • 9 votes
        #13.5 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:27 PM EDT
        KFPH

        farmgirl,

        my cat died while W. was president-why did bush kill my cat?

        • 7 votes
        #13.6 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:53 PM EDT
        trekie70

        farmgirl, get a life. The economy tanked under W., not Obama. You need to educate yourself as to the true facts, not those expressed on Fox. It is your choice of who to vote for but just remember, the GOP opposes financial reform, the very thing needed to prevent a future economic disaster. Oh, and by the way, they also oppose regulating derivatives, which also contributed to the economy tanking.

        One question for you: why would you support a party that never has any solutions of their own?

        • 3 votes
        #13.7 - Sat May 1, 2010 12:19 PM EDT
        economics101

        Actually while I agree that Bush was in charge in 2008, both parties are equally in bed with large banks and have run this country for at least 90 years according to what suits the banks with only a few exceptions - and both parties are opposed to real reform.

        • 3 votes
        #13.8 - Sun May 2, 2010 12:11 PM EDT
        800 lb. gorilla

        kfph

        my cat died while W. was president-why did bush kill my cat?

        i am sorry that bush killed your cat. i do not know why he did that.

        • 2 votes
        #13.9 - Mon May 3, 2010 1:14 PM EDT
        redshadowwithgreenbackground

        It was Clinton's fault.

        • 2 votes
        #13.10 - Mon May 3, 2010 11:09 PM EDT
        redshadowwithgreenbackground

        Both parties are equally bad.

        • 1 vote
        #13.11 - Mon May 3, 2010 11:10 PM EDT
        800 lb. gorilla

        shadow

        quit blowing up your own thread with troll posts.

          #13.12 - Tue May 4, 2010 9:53 AM EDT
          Reply
          Allegory

          All the spin in the world wouldn't help W. He is, and will always be, considered one of the very worst Presidents this nation ever had the misfortune of enduring.

          Between him and Clinton, there is no comparison. Clinton is easily one of the 20 best Presidents this nation ever had. W is easily in the bottom 5.

          • 9 votes
          Reply#14 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:09 PM EDT
          redshadowwithgreenbackground

          Only to blind partisans.

          • 2 votes
          #14.1 - Mon May 3, 2010 11:10 PM EDT
          Reply
          4RealLyn

          Miss What? Did he give us anything to miss? Or did I miss it?

          • 4 votes
          Reply#15 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:12 PM EDT
          inoubliable

          some kids got him to read him a story book once. good times, probably. juice boxes and cookies afterward, probably.

          • 3 votes
          #15.1 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:13 PM EDT
          bordeaukDeleted
          Janeinthisworld

          HEY! I didn't get a cookie afterward.

          • 2 votes
          #15.3 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:30 PM EDT
          redshadowwithgreenbackground

          Did you deserve one.

          • 1 vote
          #15.4 - Mon May 3, 2010 11:11 PM EDT
          Reply
          TheyreAllCrooks


          Do you miss President Bush?

          ...about as much as I miss hemorrhoids!

          • 6 votes
          Reply#16 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:13 PM EDT
          inoubliable

          unfortunately, there is no Preparation "W". :(

          • 8 votes
          #16.1 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:14 PM EDT
          TheyreAllCrooks


          Preparation "W"

          Priceless!

          Directions: Hold tube firmly, pointing away from face. Squeeze tube until scuzzy smelly substance appears. Apply generously to affected painful itchy ass area.

          • 7 votes
          #16.2 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:27 PM EDT
          inoubliable

          "generously" is going to have to be the key word here.

          • 3 votes
          #16.3 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:36 PM EDT
          TheyreAllCrooks


          Directions: Hold tube firmly, pointing away from face. Squeeze tube until scuzzy smelly substance appears. Apply generously to affected painful itchy ass area.

          Repeat several times daily for 8 years.

          After 8 years the pain and itch will stop but sporadic outbreaks may occur.
          In this event, repeat directions as needed.

          • 1 vote
          #16.4 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:48 PM EDT
          Janeinthisworld

          unfortunately, there is no Preparation "W".

          No, but there's Compound W. A hemorrhoid is just a specifically placed wart after all! ;-)

          • 2 votes
          #16.5 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:32 PM EDT
          TheSkeptic-1418965Deleted
          redshadowwithgreenbackground

          Bush was no worse than the two who followed him,.

            #16.7 - Mon May 3, 2010 11:12 PM EDT
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            JB-1123320

            Do you miss President Bush?

            No!

            • 5 votes
            Reply#17 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:34 PM EDT
            redshadowwithgreenbackground

            You sound undecided.

            • 2 votes
            #17.1 - Mon May 3, 2010 11:13 PM EDT
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            TheSkeptic-1418965Deleted
            LMSLMS

            Miss Bush? - NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            • 5 votes
            Reply#19 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:10 PM EDT
            redshadowwithgreenbackground

            Just a little.?

            • 1 vote
            #19.1 - Mon May 3, 2010 11:14 PM EDT
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            jsautee

            Mr. Bush....YOU LIED, people died, good riddance.

            • 8 votes
            Reply#20 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:24 PM EDT
            redshadowwithgreenbackground

            Well, that would apply to Clinton and Obama too.

            • 2 votes
            #20.1 - Mon May 3, 2010 11:15 PM EDT
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            Patrick The Mighty Quinn

            Who? Jesse Jackson said stay out of the bushes.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#21 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:30 PM EDT
            TheSkeptic-1418965Deleted
            trex-138069

            Do I miss him? Only because he's usually out of shoe-range.

            • 3 votes
            Reply#23 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
            redshadowwithgreenbackground

            Rude.

            • 4 votes
            #23.1 - Mon May 3, 2010 11:17 PM EDT
            Peter Faden

            The whole shoe throwing thing cracks me up. I mean, to be so angry that you take off your shoe and throw it at somebody...awesome!

            • 2 votes
            #23.2 - Mon May 3, 2010 11:35 PM EDT
            redshadowwithgreenbackground

            Yes. A rational response would be better.

            • 2 votes
            #23.3 - Mon May 3, 2010 11:40 PM EDT
            800 lb. gorilla

            the person who threw the shoe did not have much of a forum to disagree with bush, even if he was a foreign journalist. do you read any middle eastern papers? i don't think that bush does.

              #23.4 - Tue May 4, 2010 9:52 AM EDT
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              JoulesBeef

              Just want to warn you nice folks that people laughed at the reagan legacy project as well.. I mean that man was a traitor to this country.. he armed our enemies.

              but look at reagan now.. dont dismiss the repukicans ability to rewrite history and @!$%# on america.

              • 7 votes
              Reply#24 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:45 PM EDT
              Janeinthisworld

              Reagan is still one of the worst presidents. Some people think Nixon was a great guy too.

              • 6 votes
              #24.1 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:33 PM EDT
              KFPH

              Thanks for mentioning that about reagan-I don't remember him such a darling for the GOP back then, funny how the right hates hollywood, but their hero was an actor.

              George W. Bush was a despicable president, but I don't blame him for 9/11-I believe that would have happened under any president, but it absolutely would not have happened if we-under reagan didn't train al qaeda and arm them.

              The economic policies under bush were just a continuation of reagans. They failed then and they failed under bush-yet the right still believes in "trickle down economics" Two epic failures under two different administrations 20 years apart and they still don't get it.

              Fear of communism and nuclear war led us to train a very dangerous enemy, which came back to bite us 20 years later. Now we are repeating-fear of terrorism and WMD, which enemy are we building now?

              Fear-proven tactic for the GOP-always works, but when are we going to stop being so stupid?

              • 6 votes
              #24.2 - Sat May 1, 2010 12:24 AM EDT
              Peter Faden

              Nixon was interesting....ever read "Silent Coup"? Not saying he was a good guy, but definitely interesting.

              • 1 vote
              #24.3 - Sat May 1, 2010 12:29 AM EDT
              inoubliable

              too young for Nixon here. "Silent Coup" has just been added to my wishlist, though. not to get too far off topic, but if you have any other suggestions, i'd appreciate them.

              • 2 votes
              #24.4 - Sat May 1, 2010 10:46 AM EDT
              Peter Faden

              I'll put a list together and message you in the next few days. Let me know if you'd just like politics, or if there are other topics of interest.

              • 2 votes
              #24.5 - Sun May 2, 2010 12:13 AM EDT
              redshadowwithgreenbackground

              Reagan was one of he best.

              • 2 votes
              #24.6 - Mon May 3, 2010 11:18 PM EDT
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              Patricia Baker

              My goodness I hope Bush never comes back again. We are still suffering from his lies. It's like a great broom is sweeping across the country but dirt is still falling.

              • 5 votes
              Reply#25 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:51 PM EDT
              sixfeetunderhope

              His brother, jeff, is trying hard...

              I would ban all public libraries to buy any trash literature, such as bush's book...

              • 3 votes
              #25.1 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:04 PM EDT
              redshadowwithgreenbackground

              Things are no better without Bush.

              • 2 votes
              #25.2 - Mon May 3, 2010 11:19 PM EDT
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              PokerShark

              Not in the least bit. Our countyry is finally healing some of the terrible damage done by Bush and Cheney to our economy, to our military and to our prestige and standing in the world community.

              Bush was by far the worst President in US History. Whats to miss?

              • 4 votes
              Reply#26 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:04 PM EDT
              Borncorn

              I have to admit I miss him a little. He was always good for a laugh and almost single handedly took down the GOP.

              • 5 votes
              Reply#27 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:17 PM EDT
              Better Careful

              It's going to take a decade to repair the damage done to our economy, nation, and political system due to Bush. He took us far, far too close to fascism for the good of the United States. He and his cronies plundered our Treasury, economy, democracy, freedoms, Constitution, and good will for no purpose larger than their own personal self-indulgence. I don't miss any of that. I don't forget any of that. Neither should you.

              • 3 votes
              Reply#28 - Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:19 PM EDT
              HushLiberalPuppetDeleted
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